”Questions & Answers”
HERC: I just have a question on behalf of any of my fellow know-nothings who’ll be reading this. Do we know yet whether or not Sidious and Palpatine are two people? Or one?
CARL: They are one person.
HERC: This is fact? There’s no controversy?
CARL: Well, there’s controversy.
FLMLVR: Some people think it’s a clone.
DARTH TARDY: I think they’re one person. I always have.
OBI-SWAN: Does anyone know who Sifodyas is yet?
DARTH TARDY: I think it’s Dooku.
FLMLVR: If it’s Dooku, it feels like such a cop-out. Lucas built up that mystery in ATTACK OF THE CLONES.
MORIARTY: This is the guy who thought up the Midichlorians. So...
HERC: Doesn’t Obi-Wan know what Sifodyas looks like? He seemed to know that he was dead for ten years.
DARTH TARDY: Yoda and Mace seem to know him.
FLMLVR: I guarantee you, it’ll be something you hear in the second movie and we’ll never hear about it again.
OBI-SWAN: I don’t know. It’s a big deal who ordered the clones.
HERC: I agree with [Obi-Swan].
CARL: There’s going to be a scene where he explains everything with one piece of exposition.
MORIARTY: With that scene I think they have to tie together: Shmi’s hesitance to talk about Anakin’s birth and his origin; genetic engineering in the galaxy, whether it be clones or Midichlorians; and they have to cover Sifodyas. Those three things have to be answered because they are giant loose plot threads. This manipulation could have been a larger scale thing than we realized and it could all be the work of Sidious.
FLMLVER: Who erased the files? My thought is that it was Anakin and Palpatine said, “Hey, you should do this for me.” But that seems like a cop-out again because it happened off-screen. It’s a big thing and it happens between PHANTOM MENACE and ATTACK OF THE CLONES?
CARL: Anyone who’s expecting it to be anyone other than Palpatine or Dooku are just setting themselves up.
FLMLVR: It takes an hour and a half of the story to lay this big MacGuffin and it’s just going to be Dooku. It just seems too easy.
OBI-SWAN: I’ve never considered that it might have been Anakin.
MORIARTY: I think this whole Sifodyas thing will turn into the equivalent of two unmarried people in the 50’s checking into a motel and registering as “The Smiths.” I think that’s all it’s going to be.
CARL: In the original script, that name...
MORIARTY: ... was Sidodyas. I know.
FLMLVR: Lucas got lazy. “Just give me something that sounds like it.”
MR. BEAKS: When I first heard the name, I thought it was going to be played by Jimmy Smitts. I thought it was “Sifodiaz.”
MORIARTY: You said you wanted to be hated, Beaks. There you go! There’s your Talk-Back hate mail.
MR. BEAKS: (sarcastic) Yes. Of course. I hate Mexicans.
HELLBOY: I don’t think any of this will be touched upon. Same with the Midichlorians. It was in the first film and he kind of got bored with it.
OBI-SWAN: Or maybe he felt he had painted himself into a corner and backed off. See, the answer isn’t to ignore it. The answer is, “Okay... how can I continue with it, pull it off, and fix it somehow?” Make it work so it makes sense.
SARAH S: We were happy with The Force being a mystery for all these years.
MORIARTY: But it’s not a mystery. The Force is explained as beautifully as it could possibly be explained in the first film by Obi-Wan. There’s no mystery about.
OBI-SWAN: I don’t think there’s any mystery about the Midichlorians. Qui-Gon explains that just as well. I think it’s one of the best moments in PHANTOM MENACE.
HERC: (with a possible hint of insincerity) I’m with Obi-Swan.
”For The Record”
FROSTY: For the record. Obi-Swan... what do you think of EPISODE I? The room goes silent.
OBI-SWAN: (finally) I think PHANTOM MENACE is a great fantasy film.
FROSTY: And the rest of the room feels... differently.
FLMLVR: Actually, I’m siding with him. The more time passes, the more I watch it, the more I like it. I can do without the pod race and some of the other bullshit in there, but it’s a pretty solid film.
MR. BEAKS: I think it’s a better film than ATTACK OF THE CLONES.
FLMLVR: I agree. I used to think CLONES was better, but now it seems like he was pandering to the fans.
SARAH S: No, it didn’t seem like they were –
MR. BEAKS: I think that PHANTOM MENACE was at least George Lucas’s vision. I don’t care if the vision is bankrupt. It’s his vision. And I don’t think it’s necessarily bankrupt, but it is an honest failure. ATTACK OF THE CLONES is a failure in response to what he thought the fans wanted to see. It looks like he just got a focus group... like it’s a laundry list of fanboy grievances.
MORIARTY: Here’s a question, speaking of what fanboys want or don’t want. Two different rumors making the rounds. One: they are making Episodes VII, VIII, and IX. Two: that it’s a television series and not theatrical sequels. Which would you rather see? A television series that takes place between EPISODES III and IV that covers the rise of Vader, or Episodes VII, VIII, and IX in the theater?
MXYZLPTLK: Hands down, I want to see between III and IV on TV. Because you know if it’s all new characters it’s just not going to be done right. It’s going to disgrace the universe that already exists. I think there’s a lot of interesting material between III and IV... how Vader gets from III to IV. VII, VIII, and IX are just going to be new characters and cheesy tie-ins to the old universe. I just don’t like it.
CARL: I agree. For one, they would have to come up with a new villain. But the main thing is, if they do this idea for between III and IV, which would essentially be Vader and Stormtroopers hunting down the remaining Jedi Knights scattered across the galaxy... that’s something I’ve always wanted to see. That’s something I expected to get out of the prequels.
MR. BEAKS: Um... if he has to keep doing it… um... does he have to keep doing it?
Everyone laughs.
MR. BEAKS: I don’t want anything else. Unless EPISODE III knocks the ball out of the fuckin’ park and wins me over and gets me back into the Lucas camp, I don’t see anywhere else he can go with this series that isn’t about making more money. Then I guess a TV series. But, really, I’m ready for it to die.
SARAH S: I’d really be interested in the story between III and IV. I think they’re a lot of possibilities. And that’s not a part of the series that’s been hammered to death by the expanded universe books. I’m not into the EU, but I know that there’s ten bazillion books... that’s been done.
JED: I’m gonna go with the third trilogy. I want three directors. I’m thinking like Spike Jonze... David Fincher. I want to see Julie Taymor make a STAR WARS movie. You don’t need new characters. What’s Mark Hamill doing? What’s Carrie Fisher doing? And if you give Harrison Ford twenty million dollars, he’ll do a fucking donkey movie at this point.
MR. BEAKS: And he has.
JED: That’s what I want. I think if Lucas takes a step back and says, “You kids grew up with this... play in my universe. I’ll see you in five years. Keep the checks coming.” I think there’s an army of people out there who could turn out three more kick-ass STAR WARS movies.
SARAH S: You’re such an EU nerd, though.
MR. BEAKS: I’d be up for that if he did it like THE MISFITS. Han Solo is the Clark Gable character and he’s got a young thing who has supplanted Leia.
MORIARTY: I thought it was interesting last week... it was the first time I heard Carrie Fisher say she’d do it. When she was on the Today Show, she said she’d really enjoy it. If Carrie’s up for it... Carrie’s smart. She’d probably play it real well again.
DARTH TARDY: I’d love to see VII, VIII, and IX, but I feel there’s nowhere to go anywhere. The books have exhausted it. The EU has exhausted it. Everything that could be done about Clones and the second Emperor... he wrapped it up with RETURN OF THE JEDI. He left it, as I see it, with nowhere to go. So, because of that, as much as I would love to see VII, VIII, and IX, I really hope he doesn’t do it. And I’d much rather see what happens between III and IV. The Jedi purge. When I first saw EPISODE II and realized that EPISODE III wouldn’t leave much room for the Jedi purge, I was pretty upset.
DR HFUHRUHURR.: I’d like to see what’s going on between III and IV... or possibly remakes of I, II, and III. Just kidding. How cool would it be to do a mini-series of Splinter Of The Mind’s Eye using look-alikes?
MORIARTY: I enjoyed it as a book, but I haven’t read it in a lot of years.
CARL: It doesn’t fit in with story.
DARTH TARDY: Luke faces Vader in that for the first time. So it would make EMPIRE seem strange. It wouldn’t work.
OBI-SWAN: Well, y’know... I’ll take STAR WARS any way I can get it. But... if I could somehow have Lucas’s ear, I would not want him to do a TV show because it simply isn’t the format of STAR WARS. I like the poetry of the movies. You don’t have an enormous amount of time to develop characters. The characters need to be sketch very quickly. The movies need to leave you wanting more. For me, that’s the appeal. And I think there’s nothing more exciting than the possibility of getting Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, and Carrie Fisher together again...
Half the room erupts in applause.
HERC: YES! EXACTLY!
OBI-SWAN: And, y’know what... as far as EU is concerned, I don’t give a shit. It doesn’t matter. Boba Fett was what..? A woman in the books or something like that? It doesn’t matter. All that stuff is just fun to fill the time when we’re not getting movies.
HERC: This is the smartest man in the room.
OBI-SWAN: Thank you. But also, I think if Lucas did that he would have learn his lesson from Peter Jackson and shoot all three movies at once. That way Harrison wouldn’t be 72 by the third film.
CARL: He already is.
OBI-SWAN: He’d shoot them all together then release them maybe two years apart. And Mark, Harrison and Carrie wouldn’t need to be the lead characters. I’d rather see them as part of the supporting cast. They’d pop in periodically...
MORIARTY: Like Mon Mothma?
OBI-SWAN: Yeah. I’d give them each one big scene every movie. And at some point during the trilogy, I’d love to have all three of them in peril at the same time... like the trash compactor. I think their entire relationship with each other is summed up in JEDI when Han asks how they’re doing and Luke responds, “Same as always.” “That bad, huh?” Also, I wouldn’t want Han and Leia to be a couple. I would want their initial meeting in the first movie to be the first time they’ve seen each other in years. It should have a similar vibe to their first few scenes in EMPIRE. Uneasy. Filled with regret.
SARAH S: You make it sound like you’re writing a part for Clarista Flockheart.
FLMLVR: I’m with Obi-Swan on VII, VIII, and IX. I think it would be cool to see Vader do all that stuff in a TV series, but that’s what the prequels were supposed to be for. That didn’t happen. I think we should move on. The TV series... the episodes are going to get way too expensive they’re going to do the effects cheap. It’ll dilute it more than the prequels have. And honestly, how much of an audience is gonna watch STAR WARS on TV each week aside from the hardcore fans? Maybe a mini-series could be cool, but it’s always an event. It’s always for the theater. It’s a communal experience. It’s not Thursday nights at nine o’clock. And the thing about the villain... I’ve heard that while making PHANTOM MENACE, he went back and sketched out what he wanted VII, VIII, and IX to be. And he sort of planted stuff during PHANTOM MENACE. I don’t know exactly what he could have planted in there, but I’ve read that in a couple different places.
HERC: Speaking as a TV guy, I do not want to see STAR WARS as a TV series. I definitely want to see a sequel trilogy. I want to see the continuation and I have no reason for than other than I’m appalled by the prequels, I harbor no rooting interest in the prequel characters, and I don’t want to see any more of the pre-original trilogy stuff.
MORIARTY: Here’s my take on it. I think the rumor about the TV show is bullshit and I’ll tell you why. Nobody is gonna program a television series in which our lead character, who we’re supposed to follow every week, is killing people all over the galaxy. GENOCIDE, the TV series?! Bullshit! Absolutely not. I don’t believe for a second that’s the series or that’s the plan.
HERC: (coughs violently) TheSopranos!!!
MORIARTY: And THE SOPRANOS would never play on network, and would never be made by Lucasfilm. He never would have created THE SOPRANOS. It’s the wrong narrative focus. How can Darth Vader be the lead in a television series?
MXYZLPTLK: You could see the birth of the Rebellion.
MORIARTY: Besides, I’d like to see VII, VIII, and IX. I agree with Obi-Swan on this. For me, the only thing, the only emotional resonance from further STAR WARS is – give me back my original cast. You made your prequels, you got it out of your system, you did it, you said what had to. Great. Give me back the original cast, goddamnit. I want ‘em now, and that’s pretty much all I want.
MR. BEAKS: Why do you think you’re owed that?
MORIARTY: I’m saying, if he’s going to continue, what do I as a fan want? I didn’t say “owed.” I never used that word. I’m not entitled to a fuckin’ thing. I’m not entitled to EPISODE III. I’m not entitled to anything. What do I want? I want VII, VIII, and IX with the real cast again. That’s all I really want.
MR. BEAKS: I just read that wrong...
MORIARTY: There is that sense... STAR WARS fans, I think, ruin things because of the entitlement issue. The wah-wah, do it my way or not at all. There are so many millions of “my ways” that it’s impossible. I think that’s what fandom seems to get crazy about. Everybody wants it their way. I think the thing that is the most interesting about STAR WARS is interpreting what your reaction is to what Lucas did, not to what you expected or had in your head or whatever. I want VII, VIII, and IX... if we’re going to get anything.
DARTH TARDY: I have friends who won’t watch the prequels because of how they feel about the originals. How would you feel if he did new movies with Luke, Han, and Leia and they sucked balls?
MORIARTY: I would still have the original trilogy and just not watch anything else. It wouldn’t ruin it for me. It would answer a question. “Oh, well, I guess he couldn’t do that either.”
SARAH S: If he were to bring back any original cast members... we’ve talked about the loss of dignity that happened with Jar Jar. Forget it. It would be embarrassing.
MORIARTY: You think having Mark Hamill play this character a generation after the Empire fell and seeing the affects it’s had on him would be as embarrassing as Jar Jar Binks?! You seriously believe that?
SARAH S: I do.
MORIARTY: I think Mark Hamill should be at least a little offended by that idea…
SARAH S: Going back to what you were saying, the fans are so unhappy and “I want it this way and this isn’t what I imagined...”
CARL: Fuck the fans. Print that, by the way.
SARAH S: It would take an act of I don’t know what to make it work. I’m not saying I think it’s a bad idea if it works. But I can just see it. It has disaster written all over it. I just want them to have a little bit of dignity left.
MORIARTY: We’re well past the concept of worrying about dignity. He’s going to extend the franchise. He’s going to continue to make money off of STAR WARS for another fifteen years. It’s going to happen. The question is: How?
HELLBOY: STAR WARS does belong on the big screen. There’s no doubt about it. But, I gotta tell you, I am afraid to death of all of it... VII, VIII, and IX... the TV show...
FROSTY: I would obvious love to see something on the big screen. It doesn’t belong on television. I think that EPISODE III is really going to be, not only a major film for STAR WARS fans, but a major film for the future of the STAR WARS universe. If he strikes out on this film, he’s done. It’s over. If he hits a homerun with this, it’s going to bring new life into the property. I’d love to see VII, VIII, and IX with all of them showing their age as long as there is a legitimate story arc. If he screws it up... oh, my god...
”The Clone Wars”
MORIARTY: How many people in the room saw the Clone Wars episodes?
OBI-SWAN: I saw ten of them.
FLMLVR: They get pretty goofy. I didn’t like them.
MORIARTY: I actually haven’t seen them because I hate the format. I liked the three-minute thing, but hated trying to catch them on TV...
FROSTY: Six through ten were very good. I thought one through five, though...
MORIARTY: Yeah, I get it, but do you know how hard they made it to find? They looked mediocre online, so I just decided, fuck it, I’ll wait for the DVD.
HERC: Which is exactly what they wanted you to do.
MORIARTY: I know. They intend to sell those to me.
FLMLVR: The clones fighting was good and cool, but then you get Kit Fisto swimming in the water and fuckin’ Durge blowing up.
SARAH S: I thought it was gripping. I watched them several times. I thought they were really well executed. I really think it played well. I thought it was great to watch them do things that wouldn’t work in films. The jousting thing was really exciting.
CARL: There were definitely things about it that were cool. The whole Dooku versus Asaaj Ventress… that episode was excellent. The Clonetroopers episode where there’s hardly any dialogue was awesome. It reminded me of the G.I JOE comic... an issue where it was Snake Eyes and there was no dialogue...
MR. BEAKS: The no dialogue actually goes back to THIEF with, uh...
HERC: James Caan?
MR. BEAKS: Not James Caan. THE THIEF with Ray Milland.
MORIARTY: I was just curious because it’s one of the first real extensions of the characters outside of a film that’s been well received at all.
CARL: The first chapter begins and ends exactly like EMPIRE. It really does. It’s got Yoda riding that thing and they even use the Tauntaun sound effect. It ends with them looking out the window as the ship takes off.
SARAH S: My boyfriend, who hates the prequels, loved it. He says that if EPISODE III is as good as this, he’ll come back.
CARL: The problem with the three minutes is that it wasn’t a creative decision. That was a marketing decision. The way Lucas functions is he’s making films right now. Unless he’s directly involved with the creation, he doesn’t want to bother with it. Basically, he hands it over to people like Jim Ward. He’s the guy, I guarantee you, who came up with the three minute format. He’s always thinking like a marketing guy. They wanted thirty to sixty seconds, but Cartoon Network was like, “Please...” Those are commercials for toys. Which is probably what they wanted. I happen to believe that Jim Ward is one of the most brilliant marketing people in film today. He came from Nike so he knows the business of marketing. The problem is, he tends to be myopic driven.
MORIARTY: Does anyone know if Jim Ward even likes STAR WARS? I’ve never met him. I’ve never talked to him. (indicates Carl and Obi-Swan) You guys have been to The Ranch.
CARL: He puts the good face on and says all the right things.
DR HFUHRUHURR: What about the rumor that we weren’t going to see Vader?
MORIARTY: Not true.
MXYZLPTLK: Have you seen the concept art for the birth of Vader?
HELLBOY: It’s full-on Ralph McQuarrie-esque.
CARL: It’s Ralph McQuarrie meets James Whale.
MORIARTY: It is what I would call... badass.
DR HFUHRUHURR: Was Lucas at one point considering not showing Vader to preserve the mystery?
MORIARTY: I don’t know. Let’s put it this way: if that was ever considered, it was tabled very early. And early on they knew Vader would be a part of the picture and Vader would be a big part of the end.
”The DVDs”
Again, this was just last week, and things have changed since then. This conversation wasn’t just idle chatter, though. We had someone in the group who knew EXACTLY what they were talking about, and that made it fun to just sort of .
FROSTY: I just wanted to bring up another subject. The DVDs that are coming in September. I believe one of our people here has some information to share.
HELLBOY: Expect something in between what we got with EPISODE I and the INDY set. They were very successful and they were very happy with the perception of them.
MORIARTY: I think they got a free pass on the INDY set. They could have put of the three movies and a fourth disc of Lucas going – (makes bizarre Zulu noise and flips the finger, double-barrels) – and it still would have sold the way it did. The extras disc really wasn’t...
CARL: That wasn’t because of Lucas, the lack of stuff in the INDY set... Spielberg personally killed a lot of stuff in that set.
MORIARTY: Spielberg seems to have a real resistance to home video extras and DVD extras...
CARL: The INDY set is not like a Lucas DVD. It’s a lot like the MINORITY REPORT DVD, the A.I. DVD, where you get a lot of short little featurettes...
MORIARTY: They’re not quite bare bones, but they sure make you feel like they are.
OBI-SWAN: Well, what’s the good news? Will there be multiple planet menus like on the DVDs for EPISODES I and II?
CARL: The menus are going to be similar.
OBI-SWAN: For EPISODE IV, will we see menu themes for Tatooine? The Death Star?
HELLBOY: The menus are going to kick ass.
CARL: Van Ling is doing the menus again.
OBI-SWAN: Okay. That’s good news.
DARTH TARDY: Any deleted footage? Commentaries?
CARL: I don’t know. But there will be other DVDs down the road.
FLMLVR: So these are just going to be the SPECIAL EDITIONS pretty much.
CARL: Pretty much. But they still might have tweaks in them.
HERC: What in Christ’s name are you all talking about?!
OBI-SWAN: I just heard the word “tweaks.”
FROSTY: And his face lit up.
SARAH S: It’s not that much. My friend works at the company that’s cleaning them.
DARTH TARDY: I heard they fixed the lightsabers.
CARL: I’m not saying new scenes or footage. I’m saying stuff like they did in RAIDERS like where they took the reflection out of the glass with the snake.
DARTH TARDY: I heard it’s the lightsabers in the Obi-Wan / Vader duel.
MORIARTY: Every time I’ve heard they’ve fixed the lightsabers, it’s turned out not to be true. I got the angriest email from the guy who – we ran the guy’s story saying that he had been at the recent screening in L.A. and that they had fixed it. Then we got several reports saying no, they weren’t cleaned up at all. Obi-Swan was there. He saw the print that the guy claimed the lightsabers were fixed in. Obi-Swan, who is sitting in the room with us, saw that print, the same version that guy saw, and..?
OBI-SWAN: Um, no. It’s not fixed. The print we saw was definitely from 1997. It appeared slightly different, but they were not what I would consider to be fixed. Not like they will be fixed in a final edition version.
DARTH TARDY: I want them to be fixed because Lucas added so many things that I really didn’t give a crap about. He could add Jabba the Hutt and have Han step on his tail, but he can’t fix the lightsabers? What’s wrong with that? That’s the first thing, as a fan, that I would expect to be fixed.
SARAH S: It’s going to be like you’re seeing the best print ever. But that’s it.
At this point, someone in the room who is associated in some way with the DVDs began to expound about some of the recent activity that’s taken place in preparing them, and it sounds like we’re going to get a really interesting sort of verbal history documentary on this DVD set, and some of the other things that were mentioned sounded like it’s very much an effort by Lucasfilm to only put a positive face on everything. Don’t expect anyone to talk about creative conflicts on the set or personality problems. This is going to be polished to a perfect Stepford shine before it sees the light of day. Finally, we steered the conversation away from material that we can’t print without losing someone their job and got back on track...
JED: What could they possibly put on a DVD that we already haven’t seen?
CARL: For the original trilogy?
JED: Yeah.
CARL: They have tons of stuff people have never seen. Tons. Hundreds of hours... There’s a scene in EMPIRE with the Wampas that got cut.
MORIARTY: That’s the scene where C-3P0 locks them into a room...
CARL: There’s another scene that’s lesser known where Luke’s trying to get to his snowspeeder during the attack on Hoth base and the Wampas have broken loose and have killed a bunch of Snowtroopers and Luke has to get on this big-ass gun and shoot the Wampas. They found this footage.
FROSTY: The lights in Obi-Swan’s eyes are at about three hundred degrees.
OBI-SWAN: I want to know about the Cloud City scene from EMPIRE where Darth Vader punches into C-3P0’s chest and pulls out a mechanical heart then crushes it.
CARL: They never filmed that.
OBI-SWAN: They could do it CG.
CARL: It was in the script and I like the symmetry... the irony...
OBI-SWAN: If they decided to do it and incorporate it into the film, it would be a great trailer moment. C-3P0 runs up and stops when he sees Darth Vader and the voice-over would say, “And a few new surprises...”
HERC: I just want to go on record and say that’s the coolest thing I’ve ever heard.
HELLBOY: I’m betting that in the set coming up, you’ll see a little bit of good stuff, stuff you want, and then you’ll see some fluff. And the next set, if there is one...
Someone mumbles “2007.”
MORIARTY: Gee, I wonder why 2007 might become significant in the marketing of Lucasfilm?
SARAH S: And it’s not that far off.
OBI-SWAN: Keep telling yourself that. READ THE CONCLUSION OF THE COUNCIL HERE!!
