This looks like it will clean the bones. It's about goddamn time we get a decent phucking American horror film.
that skinny little dominatrix bitch could clean mine ANY time.
but second is cooler ;-)
takAshi miike?
May 24, 2005 9:38 AM CST
by Rhett Butler
Flemming's first 007 novel - It's some, sick shit. . . "I'd buy that for a dollar."
but it'll never happen, Rhett. Too dark for EON, MGM, Sony, et al. I'll honestly be happy as a pup with a teet if they'd just cast Clive Owen and let him channel Connery as I believe only he can in the role. Clive is meant to be OO7. Just annouce it, ya Broccoli bastards! Wankers.
I'm one of the seemingly few people on the face of the planet who unabashedly enjoyed "Cabin Fever" and I can't wait to see what Eli Roth cooks up next. That said, we know next to nothing about this story other than it sounds like a slasher version of "Eurotrip", and it seems likely that the studio is going to hack this up and take out the gory bits. I friggin' love Takashi Miike and the thought of these two collaborating is very promising but I'm still waiting for a trailer.
May 24, 2005 9:49 AM CST
by HypeEndsHere
and is that Belladonna?
... but it was. Great potential, but Roth spent too much time trying to be cute (pancakes) and trying to cram everything he could think of in it. Not to mention the fact the the characters were completely derivative. Oh, and I went to a wedding recently where Rider Strong was there, and he's a complete tool.
Bond needs an actor as credible as Clive Owen and some down-to-earth, visceral thrills - light years away from the CGI, lazy, save-the-day gadgets and O.T.T. pyrotechnics. And the first book is a touch stone for all the nastiness wrapped up in the character. My guess - they
Yeah, that chair should be the poster for Casino Royale. if we start the franchise over from the beginning. also, people forget: Ian Fleming wanted DAVID NIVEN as Bond. kinda rules out gritty.
Seriously, Eli Roth is an up-himself wanker whose one "claim to fame" was the abysmal Cabin Fever, which sucked balls. I love how when he's being interviewed he complains that horror films aren't any good these days and quotes classics, yet makes that pile of shit.
I was under the immpression Fleming wanted Roger Moore first but he was doing t.v.
Yeah, it's quite sad when Anakin burning alive at the end of "Episode III" is more horrific and frightening than any American horror film of the past 10-15 years. I don't place the blame on Eli Roth, though. I know he always talked about how scary he thought "Cabin Fever" was (it was so scary it'd get you laid, according to him) - but no matter what, it's still a horror comedy, not a bonafied horror comedy. As Harry pointed out, it's more like a teen sex comedy that suddenly mutates into a horror movie while still retaining some of its comedic element. I love the old guy behind the store counter (Old Man Cadwell). Bottom line: I'd still much rather see "Hostel" than something like "Dark Water". Here's hoping it'll truly be as dark and grimy as Harry is claiming.
It's probably obvious but I meant to say "...it's still a horror comedy, not a bonafied horror film." Yeah, not like anyone cares but...
May 24, 2005 10:33 AM CST
by HypeEndsHere
but gore has not a fucking iota to do with a movie being scary. Lesson: we ask for scary. we get bloody.
man it was the stupidest movie ever.if there's a cabin at least make me a little clausterphobic (sp?) but no,they just have a bunch of people spitting out blood and that's supposed to be scary?i can see that in charlie's angels 2!
Not because it was scary. It wasn't. It was just Bad. The story was horrible. The direction was horrible. The acting was horrible. That this peice of flaming shit was made was the most frightening thing of all. Did people like it because it was gory as hell? That's like saying people liked John Waters's Pink Flamingo because it was so Vile. That wasn't a good flick. It just pushed the limits in the sick department. That's the only reason that people watch end up watching it. "You gotta see this, it's so fucking gross!". That's the only reason Roth's films will get seen. "You gotta see Cabin Fever or Hostel! It's so fuckin' gory and wrong! The story sucks and the acting isn't worth shit and I think the director is retarded, but it's SOOO GORY!!". Sin City was gory, but it was masterfully written and executed. Gore can be done right and it doesn't need to be done just for the sake of it self.
he IS the new sam raimi i guess. zack synder can be considered raimi terriroty too
I thought Fleming had Cary Grant in mind as James Bond?
Or was it trashed, and I just totally missed it? Hoping so..
What the fuck is an icelandic killer sheep?
I'll buy the DVD for that alone
so it doesnt matter that it was a bad movie? What I'm hearing is "It was supposed to be! Dont you get it? It was a bad movie on purpose thats what makes it good!" huhwtf????
What exactly is his role in this? Was he just visiting the set or what? I dont understand Miike's role.
May 24, 2005 2:37 PM CST
by chickychow
It takes alot to make me cringe, but Ichi did it once every couple minutes. I don't know if its "good" per se, but its a pretty fascinating flick. Its hard to believe he followed it up with Katakuris, which is a generally cheerful, fun musical (despite a couple of deaths, of course). Also saw Dead or Alive: Final, and thought it totally sucked. Oh and Eli Roth can get to fuck.
enough with the spoilers
I thought I remember reading that Roth himself said that he was invited over to Tarantino's house and they worked on dialogue, character, etc... for a day.
May 24, 2005 4:38 PM CST
by Neosamurai85
I for one liked Cabin Fever it wasn
May 24, 2005 4:39 PM CST
by Boris the Blade
There was nothing suspenseful, frightening, or original about that flick at all. To top it off, the acting was shite. The only saving grace was seeing that chick go at it.
May 24, 2005 4:43 PM CST
by Boris the Blade
That was a completely mental film. I'll have to see Ichi the killer.
Not a lot of thought went into this I must admit. Basically these are what I watch most often because I love them... 1) The Cabinet of Doctor Caligari
One, it gave breathing room for a subtle but certain departure from the pattern of teen horror slashers. It provided a few interesting and relatively original ideas. If flesh-eating viruses is an abundant horror genre, then I
May 24, 2005 5:40 PM CST
by Neosamurai85
It makes me wonder if there could be a really funny making of in this... Peace.
May 24, 2005 6:06 PM CST
by team america
That was hilarious.
And I thought 'Cabin Fever' sucked when I first saw it, but the more I think about it, the more I like it.
...reading Roth's interviews makes it incredibly hard to like the man. Actually, I'm pretty sure I don't like him at all. But 'Cabin Fever' was a decent movie.
May 24, 2005 6:47 PM CST
by VatoLoco
May 24, 2005 6:56 PM CST
by Negative Man
"Why the f**k did you bring me to see that stupid piece of sh*t!" And really, she was right. I mean, CF is a fine rental, but not a $10 ($20 with date...damn, close to $35 with coke and popcorn...) big screen release. I might even own a used DVD copy if I came accross one, but it is a mid-range horror flick if there ever was. Miike's films are more visually interesting, though not always good. Audition having some truly scary moments, but also backed by an interesting story. Not all his movies hold my attention. Though, like a poster mentioned, Miike is the horror genres Robert Rodriguez. Works so much he creates some real gems, but you have to dig through some mediocre stuff to get there. If you've seen any of the Guinea Pig movies, you've seen most of what tends to be in a Miike movie. I still think some of the scariest movies I've seen were Exorcist, The Shining, Jaws, The Haunting(1963), Sixth Sense and The Others. Those are movies where people discuss it as a whole later on, and not just discuss scenes.
May 24, 2005 7:06 PM CST
by Negative Man
There was no reason for him, but they were just making a direct to video titty-fest and happened to have a gorilla suit laying around. So why not use it? Though, I have a feeling they thought they were being clever in CF.
You're absolutely right. When it comes to one's enjoyment of a movie like "Cabin Fever", a lot of it is based on perspective. I for one loved "Cabin Fever" but let's take a look at some of my favorite horror movies: 1.) Sleepaway Camp, 2.) Dario Argento's Opera, 3. Suspiria, 4.) Sisters, 5.) House by the Cemetery, 6.) Wicker Man, 7.) The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, 8.) The Company of Wolves, 9.) Cemetery Man, 10.) Jacob's Ladder...and a few I just know I'm forgetting. But you get the idea.
Cabin Fever was an insane, loopy, and hilarious horror experience. The seemingly random, almost Adult Swim inspired, sense of humor meshes perfectly with the Lynchian atmosphere. The Party Man is such a fun and insane character I find it really hard that anyone hasn't grown to love this movie. "Drink a 40, man. You're the party man." Eli Roth tore the house down at the Shaun of the Dead panel in Diego last year, as he waited in line to ask Edgar Wright a question, "don't you realize you're just ripping off Dawn of the Dead? Why can't you come up with your own ideas?" He caught them off guard, as they did not realize he was Roth (he's a friend of theirs) and sat there like deer in headlights. Then, "wait, is that Eli?" He smiled, screamed "Shaun of the Dead rules!" and ran out of the room confusing the hell out of the filled-to-capacity audience. It was priceless. Hostel looks to be 452 different kinds of fucked up. I can't get through Miike films, and I can sit through any other horror film you put in front of me, so I am a little worried. That chair is an indicator of a lot of things to come.
did you watch the same movie i did?what i saw was shawn from boy meets world talk to a party loving cop,and shoot a dog.(who leaves an m14 at a cabin?)a movie where one of the supposed "scary" parts is a guy trying to steal their car,getting blood on it...etc i can't wait for land of the dead,but i doubt it'll convince me that american horror isn't dead.
How come everytime anyone mentions Miike it's how "gross" and "out-there" etc his stuff is. If Miike's flicks were nothing but violence, as the guinea pig reference above suggests (although Mermaid In A Manhole is a fuckin masterpiece) then he'd get very dull very quickly. the sureal humour is what keeps me interested. that ending to Dead Or Alive. no gore, just cinematic invention that gets a fella wired to the back of the nuts on how inspired it is. Ichi The Killer has more going on than gore, and anyway, it's much more in keeping with Sin City-style ultra-cartoonish splatter than, say, Irreversible or something. And what about Bird Men Of China or Visitor Q or Happiness of The Katakuri's? No gore to be seen. although i think Katakuris is a bit overrated these days, truth be told. But the point is folks yack as if Miike exists only to fling mad amounts of horrendous violence onto the screen, which is just bullshit. he's a funny fucker, his films are intelligent, witty as hell, and often really rather touching. so there. www.mondoirlando.com
Thanks for bringing up "The Bird People in China" (not "Bird Men of China" although "Bird MAN in China" would be interesting). It's one of Takashi Miike's most artistic films and one of the best movies I've caught on DVD this year. It's one in a string of great Japanese films that have seen release in the US this year (I'm thinking of "All About Lily Chou-Chou" and "Bright Future" too).
Ach! thanks for fixin me, man. it is indeed a great flick, an probably one that suprises a lotta folks expecting some madness of some sort given Miike's reputation. beautiful piece of work, is what it is. i've got a few sittin waiting to be viewed, but ain't got round to yet. One Missed Call an Zebraman are top priorities. oh, and Izo. some day this week, hopefully. that'll be a night worth noting, i'd wager. www.mondoirlando.com
Well it's a good thing I disagree with you there, because most of the "humor" on [adult swim] sucks balls ("Futurama," "Family Guy" and "Robot Chicken" excluded).
Only Boll's films are mildly entertaining in a certain masochistic way, whereas Roth's utterly innept and derivative pile of shit Cabin Fever was just so amazingly amaturish and utterly lame that it wasn't even fun to take the piss out of, it was just painful. I love all brands of horror, except one. There's one brand of horror that I truly have no love for whatsoever, and that's shit horror, horror so inept that it never even comes close to delivering on what it's aiming to be. Cabin Fever was the uber ultimate example of shit horror. The really sad thing is, Eli Roth seems to think he's god's gift to genre, when in actuality, though he talks a good game, he's just a bit of a dick, and a monumentally untalented one at that.
Reading all of this stuff about Miike piqued my interest. I searched for his stuff on Cable. Just thought in case anyone else was interested, Audition is going to be on the Sundance Channel this Sunday night/early Monday morning. I know many peeps here have already seen it, but hey, my Tivo is set. God love Tivo.
Duke, Zebra man is brilliant, i reckon it's my favourite Miike film that i've seen so far, that and Ichi the Killer. Totally off topic, but has anyone ever seen Ichi#1? It was on e-bay about a year ago, i bought it and thought it was good. It's Ichi at school, showing how he became a loony. Very good movie. Also, i mentioned Zebraman; Sho Aikawa is brilliant in it, and it's suprisingly moving too. Check it out!
Do you think there's a chance that "Zebra Man" will find a US distributor? It's kind of weird, I haven't seen Miike's most popular movies (Ichi the Killer, Dead or Alive) and I'm still a big fan. I've mostly caught his more esoteric fare (Kintaro: The White Collar Worker, The Bird People in China, Andromedia, Yakuza Demon, etc.)
I
May 26, 2005 9:19 PM CST
by Neosamurai85
Though I have not seen Boll
would recommend "Fudoh - The New Generation" because it has a plot you can more or less follow but also has a fair amount of those wacky Miike touches, such as the ludicrously over the top in the bathroom at the start. The other would be "Dead or Alive" Part 1 for the great opening sequence and the most *amazing* end to any film ever made ever. It also has a plot you can more or less follow as well.
I might add I am a Lynch fan and rank movies like Brazil and Jacob's Ladder high on my fave list. I don't mind an odd plot as long as it won't leave me feeling conned. Thanks again. Peace.
A lot of people rank Fudoh well down their Miike list (I personally like it a lot) but even a lot of those people, I've seen them recommend it as a good "intro" film to Miike's work because it's full of all of those weird touches and excessive ultraviolence of his. It was the first of his movies to get a cinema release, supposedly they bumped it up from a video release because they thought it was good enough to do so. Stuff like "Gozu" is very bizarre (though worth it for the scene where the lead asks an American woman for directions is hilarious and worth it for that alone). I would not start with "Izo" for example ...
I haven't seen too many Miike films (only 8!) and as of yet, haven't seen Ichi the Killer or Audition (though I own a copy of that one). They're probably two of his best known. Gozu, I can describe what happened from start to finish but as for what it *all* means ... well ... Dead or Alive, it didn't sound flash but the opening sequence (runs about 7 minutes) was really catchy and the ending just comes out ... not from left field but the field next door's left field. The 97% of the film leading up to it just had almost no inkling as to what was going to happen. It would be great if a mainstream director ended a film like this though I doubt anyone would dare. Try and avoid any spoilers for that one. It's also good to see the pairing of Riki Takeuchi and Sho Aikawa, who are relatively speaking, Miike regulars.
Alright, so some of you didn't like Cabin Fever. You can fuck yourselves. I havn't seen a horror debut that wacky and out-there since Evil Dead (which was also considered rubbish in it's day). It was an homage to old school horror in the same way House of 1000 Corpses was (I'm sure you hated that one too). So what constitutes GOOD horror for you nancies? The Grudge? The Sixth Sense? BOOGEYMAN??? You don't know what good horror is. It's about wonton excess - about making you feel ill, uncomfortable, and/or sadistically entertained. I can count all the great horror movies of the last decade on ONE HAND. That's sad but it's what you get when filmakers start producing mass market PG13 scary movie shluck. There are only two people I have any faith in at this point to give us decent horror (and since both are newcomers, their future work can only get better) - those people are Eli Roth and Rob Zombie. They've got balls in an industry full of pussies.
Roth gets compared to Zombie and Boll in the same talkback... Why don
Actually scrivener my dear chap, you make a fine comparison. A fine one indeed! Both films our a cluttered mess of ideas never successfully molded into a cohesive work. they both set out to play homage to the works of there heros. Both use over the top gore and... nah... I can
No, I didn't like it at all either. Actually it's probably the only movie ever made where I feel like I'm going insane when I look at the reaction it gets from other people.