The Hard Truths of Editing RETURN OF THE KING info from Peter Jackson Himself!!!
Hey folks, Harry here... Sometimes working on an epic ain't easy. Specially when you have so much passion involved, not only by the filmmakers, but the fans themselves. About two weeks ago I heard that the Saruman/Grima work had been edited out of RETURN OF THE KING. My immediate reaction was... "OUCH!" I mean, Christopher Lee has owned in each of the 2 Lord of the Rings movies we've seen thus far, but also... His presence has been iconic and classy in a way that defies description. I figured that this news would best be left to Peter to address in interviews once the film began screening, as I was sure it was a decision he did not relish making.
Then, this week... the story began to leak further. No longer just to me, but Moriarty caught wind of it, and as Moriarty often does... He became profoundly upset. Afterall... Moriarty is EVIL - his favorite characters are EVIL. He decided to continue poking around and he found a very direct source that told him that the cut was made due to pressures from New Line & that Peter was extremely upset about this and was fighting New Line left and right.
Apparently this was what Moriarty was talking about in chat recently and at 2am in the morning two days ago, I got a call from Quint going, "What are going to do about Goddamn NEW LINE and this FUCKING debacle?" I was like... "What debacle?" Then Quint filled me in on what Moriarty had learned.
My reaction was... BULLSHIT. For the last 3 weeks, Peter Jackson and I have been trading emails regarding some collectibles that pretty much rule the world. I can't buy them, because I know he exists, and so all I can do is watch as he buys them and wish to god I had more money than Peter Jackson. (A primary reason for me becoming a Producer - there's Geek shit I need to be able to outbid Pete on!) Through these conversations, Peter has let slip how things are going, steps he's made through the process, and how at long last it is coming to an end and he's been delighted with the final film.
In addition to Pete, I've been in AOL IM's, e-mail exchanges, AOL Voice IM's and even those groovy camera thingees with folks in New Zealand that have seen ROTK and talk about being in tears for an hour of the film and how everyone feels it's the very best of the series by a very large factor.
HOWEVER, I was concerned with Moriarty in Open-Chats... and the mere charge of New Line issues upon RETURN OF THE KING to write Peter and directly ask about all of this, and Peter... knowing very well that this was volatile news... Not in any other sense than there will be a certain level of fan disappointment at the loss of Christopher Lee's scenes in RETURN OF THE KING, but he didn't want to see the record wrong on how all of this came to be. Here's what Peter wrote me....
Saruman thing you describe is a muddle of half-truths.
We have decided to save the Saruman sequence for the DVD. It's a great
little scene. 7 mins long. Chris is wonderful, as usual. Brad is in
shots. It was a film maker decision - nothing to do with the studio.
The problem is that the sequence was originally shot for The Two
it is in the book. Since The Two Towers couldn't sustain a 7 min
"wrap" after Helm's Deep, we thought it would be a good idea to save
it for the beginning of the Return of the King. The trouble is, when
ROTK cuts over the last few weeks, it feels like the first scenes are
wrapping last year's movie, instead of starting the new one. We felt
ROTK off to an uncertain beginning, since Saruman plays no role in the
of ROTK (we don't have the Scouring later, as the book does), yet we
dwell in Isengard for quite a long time before our new story kicks
We reluctantly made the decision to save this sequence for the DVD.
The choice was made on the basis that most people will assume that
Saruman was vanquished by the Helm's Deep events, and Ent attack. We
can now crack straight into setting up the narrative tension of ROTK,
which features Sauron as the villian.
It was a very similar situation to last year when we decided to take a
Boromir/Denethor flashback out of The Two Towers, and put it in the
was causing us pacing problems in the theatrical version, but with the
Extended Cut just coming out now, fans can see this great little
scene. Thank God for DVD, since it does mean that a version of the
movie, which has different pacing requirements, can be released later. The
Saruman sequence will definately be a highlight of the Extended ROTK
We have a lot of great DVD material this time around. As we crafted
the movie, we reduced it from an over 4 hour running time, down to
credits - about 8 mins long). This was done by us. There were no
studio cutting notes. We now have a movie with a pace that fells ok
for it's theatrical release. One more week to go. We are nearly there.
be standing? It's going to be a close run thing.
A week to go? The news about New Line making the cuts themselves had instantly struck me wrong, because I knew that New Line wasn't supposed to take possession of the film till November 1st. However, I had found out that 11 days before that time, Peter had added, I believe it was 12 visual effects shots for the Minas Tirith battles, and I had heard it was going to put them past their deadline a bit... Well, now it'll be 2 weeks past that date, which means that Next Friday... New Line will finally take over possession of the print, then about a 2 months of work will be squeezed into a month - as prints are created for world consumption. Wonder how wet these things will be by the time they hit theaters?
Anyway, that's the truth about Saruman and his scenes in RETURN OF THE KING, straight from Derek's mouth! A hard decision, one of many in the making of an epic.